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    Otro usuario que valora el movimiento.

    THIS IS PURELY A MOTION PROCESSING SCORE, PQ is NOT considered.

    •Never used a PC CRT but a regular CRT would be a 10 for the motion.
    LG OLED - 3/10 below average for the 2016 models (terrible judder and loss of all detail on ANY motion, including the fact that post motion processing techniques didn't help it much and couldn't even be activated in game mode) from seeing the 2017 LG OLEDS in store I have to say it is improved but not much, no gaming motion settings either.
    A1E- 8/10 (With the right settings it matches plasma but you do sacrifice some brightness but after several minutes of playing you wont even notice the loss in brightness except on like camera shots directly at the sun or wide open bright vistas and you still get incredible highlights in dark settings)...Without motionflow or Clearness enabled the motion processing is probably around a 6/10 --> Añado, posiblemente con Clear en Mínimo (vuelvo a recalcarlo: mejora el movimiento, no hay SOE, flicker, ni pérdida de brillo ni interpola) probablemente llegara al 7/10 en la escala de este chico.
    •VT60-8.5/10 (gets an extra .5 for not relying on settings, the motion is superb with any settings)
    •Z9D- 6-7/10 (definitely above average for LCDs but hard to pinpoint by how much. Flickering is a problem for me at least on this set with higher Clearness settings but not on the A1E...Honestly though it's hard to see much of an improvement in motion clarity between any of the Clearness settings on the Z9D so a Clearness of 1 should be sufficient) SIDE NOTE- I already packed up my Z9D and am getting rid of it, no point in keeping it since I won't be using it anymore so I can't really mess with the setting again like somebody was requesting.
    Sin el BFI y sin ni siquiera el Clear en Min (vuelvo a recalcarlo: mejora el movimiento, no hay SOE, flicker, ni pérdida de brillo ni interpola), sigue dándole el doble de puntuación que la LG. Otro más que miente, fijo

    Y otro nuevo poseedor más:

    Picked up the 55" A1E today from Best Buy.

    Set it up this evening. I'm replacing my 52" XBRHX909.

    All I can say is I've never seen anything like it. I spent all evening doing the initial setup and am exhausted. I will post more images tomorrow. Here's a little teaser.
    Última edición por Capitanmorcilla; 18/04/2017 a las 11:28

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    Pre-análisis: Sony A1 OLED TV hands-on | TrustedReviews

    I can confirm the A1 is effortlessly brighter than any OLED TV I reviewed in 2016, including LG’s top-end Signature G6
    Better still, this OLED excels at juggling light and dark. The taxi scenes are great at demonstrating this: the dark detail of the cab interior (and Deadpool's mask) is kept intact, despite the brightness outside the window.
    The Sony A1 is a magnificent TV. It’s a shame that it's taken so long for Sony to put out a 4K OLED TV – but the timing is right, because OLED tech has really matured. Factor in Sony's own expertise in colour and motion, as well as its willingness to experiment with radical sound systems, and what you have is something of a landmark. This was my most anticipated TV of 2017, and I'm not disappointed.
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    Would you mind recreating this chart with measurements from the A1E? The lines are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5% patterns, y axis is nits, x axis is APL of the pattern/surround.

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    Colgada de la pared:





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    Picked up the 55" A1E today from Best Buy.

    Set it up this evening. I'm replacing my 52" XBRHX909.

    All I can say is I've never seen anything like it. I spent all evening doing the initial setup and am exhausted. I will post more images tomorrow. Here's a little teaser.

    Design:

    As you know design is very subjective. Some people like large bezels on the TV as it gives them a cinematic feeling from the equipment. The A1E has very minimalistic design. It seems Sony looked to a Bauhaus design credo when designing the set i.e. "form follows function". Sony obviously wants you to focus on the picture and the picture only. That's why there is virtually no bezel. In fact there is virtually no bulk to the TV. The stand is very well designed and solidly built. You will never feel like the TV is going to tip over. The connections are thoughtfully designed and cable management is fantastic with clips that keep cables together just below where they connect. The angle on the screen is so minimal that I barely noticed. I'm posting pics of my before and after setup so you can see how the TV creates a greater sense of space. I moved up from a XBR52HX909 (FALD 240 Hz)to this 55" A1E and was shocked how much less spatial area this tv takes up.

    Inputs:

    I setup my PVR on HMDI3/ARC. When I was initially setting up the TV sometimes I got a picture from my 4k PVR, sometimes I got snow. I noticed I had switched on the "Enhanced HDMI" option in the settings menu and that was what was causing the problem. As mentioned by a couple of people above. HDMI ports 2 and 3 are the only inputs that support "Enhanced HDMI" which supports inputs at 4k 60p, 4:2:0 10bit, 4:4:4 and 4:2:2. I have no idea what the last two sets of numbers mean. So my 4k PVR for some reason doesn't provide a high enough quality signal to satisfy this setting. On the other hand my Xbox One S immediately recognized the higher quality connection and offered to change settings accordingly. The only setting I had to manually change was to change the bit depth to 10 bit. The PS4 also recognized the updated connection automatically. So my final setup ended up as HDMI 1: Apple TV/ HDMI 2: PS4/ HDMI 3: XBOX One S/ HDMI 4: 4k PVR Cable box.

    Picture Quality:

    I have Bell Fibe TV at home which provides Fibre Optic cable right into my home (FTTH). The Fibre comes out of my wall and into my router which then connects to the PVR via ethernet.

    HD sources are beautifully upscaled but I would say that one definitely needs to calibrate the TV in order to get the best out of it. Maybe I'm just not used to seeing colours pop like they do on this screen but sometimes I find the picture too warm. Red's and Blue's pop like nothing else and it can be jarring. I also watched the latest episode of Better Call Saul last night and was just stunned by the contrast. I have turned the brightness down to 35 (MAX 50) otherwise it burns my eyes. 4k Broadcast Sources look outstanding. This is the first time I've seen 4k and I'm blown away. I watched some 4k Hockey Broadcasts last night and could actually see the scratches on the ice from the skates. Netflix 4k UHD and Amazon Prime 4k UHD also look amazing. I tested "The Grand Tour" on Amazon Prime, the episode where they are in dune buggies in Namibia and it felt like I was there.

    I have just ordered the Alien Anthology on Blue Ray and am going to test the 4k Transfers of Alien and Aliens through my Xbox One S. Those films are extremely dark so I'm sure it will provide adequate black level torture tests. Just in time for Alien Covenant.

    Sound:

    My TV is connected to a Sonos 5.1 setup via optical cable which includes a Playbar, a Sub and 2 Play 1's for the rear channels. Going through the advanced settings in the 'Sound Adjustment' menu the TV recommended that I set 'Dolby Digital Plus' setting to 'Dolby Digital' only if I was using optical out. The sound coming out of my Sonos is marginally better under this TV as compared to the old one using the same Sonos setup. This might change as I test more material. I did not test the built in speakers as I don't intend to use them. The nice thing is that I can use the TV remote to control the Sonos volume and use the volume bar on the TV. This was not possible on my old TV.

    So all in all so far I am ecstatic to take the leap into 4K and OLED. The TV is fantastic.






    Emisión 4K:


    Emisión HD:


    Amazon Prime Video 4K:


    Netflix 4K:





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    Colgada de la pared queda muy muy separada ...
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    Una review un tanto peculiar:

    https://tvevaluate.com/review-sony-xbr65a1e-oled/

    Review: Sony XBR65A1E, XBR55A1E (A1E)
    The subject of this review is the Sony XBR65A1E. Since the 65-inch and the 55-inch class models have identical features, the following review applies to the XBR55A1E as well. Both of them are members of the A1E series of Sony OLED TVs.


    The Sony XBR65A1E takes a minimalist approach to design. Apart from the illumination LED, which you can turn off so that it doesn’t light up the surface beneath the bottom edge of the screen, there is nothing to distract you from the picture: no visible stand or speakers, and even the Sony logo is smaller than usual and has been moved from its traditional central position to the left corner. When the Sony XBR65A1E is placed on a table-top surface it leans towards its rear support, where the inputs and the 80 mm sub-woofer are housed. The kickstand comes with a removable cover made from a fabric material. Not only does the cover allow you to keep your cables hidden, but the use of fabric means that the bass is dampened to a degree.

    The Sony XBR65A1E is the first TV to utilize Acoustic Surface technology which invisibly vibrates the screen to produce sound. Specifically, there two 25 mm actuators for the left and right channels. Together with the sub-woofer, they make for a 2.1 channel configuration. The total audio power output is 50 Watts, with 10 Watts being allocated to the sub-woofer. Since only mid-range and high-frequency sounds are emitted directly from the TV screen, there are no visible distortion in the picture caused by the actuators.

    There are some parallels that can be drawn between the Sony XBR65A1E’s glass back panel and the Picture-on-Glass design used by some of the LG OLED TVs. However, the Sony XBR65A1E’s back panel features a distinct horizontal bar in the middle. It not only accommodates the actuators, but also adds constructional strength to the TV. Although the Sony XBR65A1E and the LG OLED65G7P both have a foldable support, a distinction needs to made between the LG model sitting on its integrated sound bar which functions as a stand, on the one hand, and the Sony XBR65A1E leaning on its kickstand, on the other. Besides being placed on a table-top surface, both of them can be mounted on a wall using a compatible VESA 400×200 bracket with the Sony XBR65A1E, and VESA 600×300 with the LG OLED65G7P. The LG OLED65E7P also can be wall-mounted, albeit its integrated sound bar is not foldable.

    The Sony XBR65A1E and the 2017 LG OLED TVs use the latest generation W-OLED panel. The resolution is 3840×2160, meaning there are more than 8 million individual pixels, with each and every one of them producing it own light. However, instead of having sub-pixels that emit distinct red, green and blue, the Sony XBR65A1E and LG OLED TVs produce dichromatic white light on a pixel level, which necessitates the use of color filters. The dichromatic light source results in less narrow peaks in the green, and especially the red spectral regions in comparison to the blue. Although this doesn’t prevent them from covering the DCI-P3 color space coverage almost entirely, it means that some improvements need to be made to the W-OLED technology in order for any future TVs using these type of panels to be able to fully cover the BT.2020 color space, which is significantly larger than DCI-P3.

    Since OLED a self-emissive technology, individual pixels can be completely shut off so that no light is emitted. As a result, both the Sony XBR65A1E and its LG OLED counterparts have a perfect black level of 0 nits, provided there is no ambient light that gets reflected off the screen. At the opposite end of the brightness scale, they can reach approximately 150 nits on a full-field white (100% window size). Therefore, if you calibrate the Sony XBR65A1E or the LG OLED65E7P to the level SDR content is usually mastered to (i.e. 100 nits), the target luminance is achieved not only in small areas of the screen but also during scenes with high average picture level. A typical example of content with preponderance of bright elements is hockey.

    Nonetheless, the Auto Brightness Limiter is still present, and starts to function at above 150 nits. It basically means that the larger the brightly illuminated portion of the screen is, the dimmer it gets. However, most SDR content has low-to-mid APL, so it is unlikely to notice any drop in luminance unless the scene is overly bright and you’ve calibrated your TV to more than 150 nits. Furthermore, the Sony XBR65A1E and the LG OLED65E7P can reach more than 300 nits in 50% window size, and more than 400 nits in 25% window size, meaning they can get sufficiently bright for viewing under high ambient light conditions, provided the SDR content doesn’t have high average picture level.

    The peak brightness with High Dynamic range (HDR) content varies based on the HDR picture preset you’re using. Some of the HDR picture modes (e.g. Vivid) on the Sony XBR65A1E and LG track the D93 white point more closely, while others (e.g. Standard): the D65 white point. Although tracking the D93 white point provides a peak brightness of up to 1,000 nits in small specular highlights (5% window size), there is some significant blue tint added to the white color. On the other hand, the D65 white point ensures more neutral color temperature, but the peak brightness in small specular highlights (5% window size) is only up to 800 nits.

    One of the HDR formats that the Sony XBR65A1E and LG OLED TVs support is HDR10. The transfer function used with the HDR10 is called Perceptual Quantizer (PQ). The digital code words in the 10-bit HDR10 signal correspond to specific luminance values, regardless of the actual brightness capability of the TV. In other words the PQ is an absolute transfer function. When the HDR10 content is mastered to a brightness level unattainable by the Sony XBR65A1E and LG, they resort to tone-mapping in order to quantize the dynamic range of the content. The tone-mapping process is not standardized, though. This means that there is a difference in how the Sony XBR65A1E and LG implement the PQ EOTF (Electro-Optical Transfer Function), especially at higher stimulus levels.

    HDR10 content mastered to 4,000 nits requires the Sony XBR65A1E and LG OLED TVs to perform more tone-mapping than 1,000 nit HDR10 content, so this is where the difference between them is most prominent. Specifically, the LG OLED65E7P tends to start rolling-off the luminance a bit earlier than the Sony XBR65A1E, which allows for more detail in the highlights to be resolved, but also causes some tones in the diffuse white region to be rendered slightly darker in comparison to the Sony XBR65A1E.

    It also needs to be said that HDR10 content is only optimized for scenes with highlights due to the fact that static metadata defines maxCLL (maximum content light level) which doesn’t change for the entire duration of the content. In an attempt to rectify this, the 2017 LG OLED TVs utilize Active HDR processing for analyzing individual frames, and generating dynamic metadata on the fly. The Sony XBR65A1E’s Dynamic Contrast Enhancer also performs frame-by-frame optimization. The setting which controls the Active HDR processing on the LG is called Dynamic Contrast, and it can be set to Low, Medium, High or Off, so you can find the right balance between preventing the dynamic range from being unnecessary compressed during scenes without highlights, on the one hand, and avoiding any further alternation of the director’s intended look (besides the one already introduced by the tone-mapping), on the other.

    There is no such dilemma with Dolby Vision content because the dynamic metadata is generated during post-production, so it conforms director’s intentions. Another advantage over the HDR10 is that the Dolby’s mapping engine is aware of the specific characteristics (such as peak brightness, color volume, etc) of the display, meaning it can provide better tone-mapping. The LG OLED TVs support Dolby Vision out of the box whereas the Sony XBR65A1E requires a future firmware update to enable support for this format. According to Sony, the update will be available later this year. It will also bring support for HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma), which is a different format of HDR aimed primarily at TV broadcasts, to the Sony XBR65A1E. The 2017 LG OLED TVs support HLG out of the box.

    Sony XBR65A1E XBR55A1E ReviewConsidering that color bit depth and DCI-P3 gamut coverage are tied to the panel of the TV, rather than video processing, it’s not surprising that color rendition is mostly identical on the Sony XBR65A1E and LG. The panel bit depth is 10-bit, meaning both of them are able to show more than a billion color shades. The DCI-P3 color space coverage is approximately 99% for the mid-tones, and slightly lower for specular highlights that are above 1,000 nits. Therefore, the Sony XBR65A1E and LG OLED TVs do not render some of the brightest colors in specular highlight as vivid as they should be. Unlike the Sony XBR65A1E, the LG OLED TVs have a Color Management System, so you can adjust saturation, tint and luminance independently for the primary colors. Although this may improve the color accuracy, it doesn’t lead to an expansion in the DCI-P3 coverage.

    Neither of them has any significant trouble with the transition from black to dark gray, which was somewhat problematic with earlier OLED TVs. The smooth near-black gradation is a result from both improvements in the panel itself, as well as the fact the processing is done at a higher bit depth, so that quantazation errors can be avoided. Specifically, the Sony XBR65A1E features Super Bit Mapping, which upconverts 8-bit or 10-bit source content for 14-bit processing. The Smooth Gradation menu setting controls it. The LG OLED TVs also resorts to processing content at a higher bit depth in order to prevent macroblocking artifacts near-black. The black level setting is non-linear in order to provide more granular control over the transition from black to dark gray.

    One of the areas where the more advanced video processing on Sony XBR65A1E vs LG becomes apparent is upscaling lower resolution content to 4K resolution. This is attributed to the fact that the X1 Extreme image processor on the Sony XBR65A1E can access tens of thousands picture patterns in two databases. One of the Sony’s propriety databases is dedicated to noise reduction while the other is for super resolution (i.e. enhancing the clarity of upscaled content). The before and after data references allow the Sony XBR65A1E to identify compression noise and other artifacts in the source, and remove them in an optimal way. Whilst not quite on par with the Sony XBR65A1E, the LG upscaling is also good. Furthermore, if you’re watching native 4K content, or even some pristine quality 1080p content, such as Blu-ray discs, the difference between the Sony XBR65A1E and LG OLED65E7P is minimal.

    The enhanced video processing on the Sony XBR65A1E also leads to less visible artifacts when the motion compensated frame interpolation is engaged. Although this model is not impulse driven (like plasma TVs were), the nearly instantaneous pixel response time and the 120Hz native refresh rate, which LG OLED TVs also have, prevent fast moving objects from having dark trails. Since individual frames remain on the screen until the next refresh – a method known as sample-and-hold, and used by both the Sony XBR65A1E and LG OLED TVs, some blurring is still possible, depending on the specific content. The reason is that your eyes are moving as they track an object traveling across the screen whereas the frame doesn’t change until the next refresh, which happens every 8.3 ms for 120Hz TVs.

    The Object-based HDR remaster is applied across most of the Sony XBR65A1E SDR picture presets in order for color and contrast of non-HDR content, such as Blu-ray discs, DVDs, and TV broadcasts to be enhanced. On the other hand, LG OLED TVs have a dedicated picture preset called HDR Effect. The advantage to the Sony XBR65A1E’s method of individually analyzing and remastering objects is that the average picture level doesn’t need to lowered significantly in order to provide headroom for highlights, which LG OLED TVs are somewhat prone to when HDR Effect is used.

    The Sony XBR65A1E uses Android TV (version 6.0) whereas 2017 LG OLED TVs rely on the WebOS 3.5 system for their smart TV capabilities. The Sony XBR65A1E allows you to access compatible apps on Google Play. There is a built-in microphone in the remote and a future firmware update will enable Google Assistant on the Sony XBR65A1E. The LG motion-sensing Magic Remote also has a built-in microphone, and the webOS platform is very intuitive to use.
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    No es peculiar, es honesta. Como debe ser.

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    Y D-Nice dice lo siguiente después de estas preguntas:

    More pure conjecture: LG sold the better panels to Sony and the lower quality (banding) is what we are now seeing in the 2017s

    Respuesta:
    "LOL never would happen. No company would give their A grade product to a competitor in OEM"

    Sobre el viñetado de las OLED:
    what makes vignetting and banding on these panels?

    Respuesta:
    "I asked this question to a former LG employee who worked with OLED panels..... moisture during the bonding process"

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    La tv queda muy separada de la pared, una pena porque la tv es muy bonita pero estéticamente en la pared queda horrorosa

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    La tv queda muy separada de la pared, una pena porque la tv es muy bonita pero estéticamente en la pared queda horrorosa
    Pues si....yo la descarto totalmente y mira que me atraía ...

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    La verdad es que no pensaba que quedara tan separada, no queda bien así. Yo creo que esta TV luce mucho mejor como la idearon, es decir, encima de una mesa (pero sin inclinación) y con una peana o pie más normal de las gamas tipo la XE9305 o la ZD9.
    koalakoala, danygitano y Aragorm han agradecido esto.

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    Otra review por parte de tweakers:
    ventajas
    alto contraste
    buena reproducción cromática
    Representación hermosa HDR
    diseño elegante


    negativos
    alto precio
    la distancia de pared grande en colgante
    soc lenta


    https://tweakers.net/reviews/5329/al...et-scherm.html

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